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November 19th, 2012
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Something to play with
The usual way of working on one's body is to give it rather specific directions-- you say "relax, relax, relax". This can work quite well, but....

I've tried flipping it around, and gotten some good results. Instead of giving top-down orders (even if gently spoken) as though I know what I'm doing, I focus on a part-- for example a knee that hurts-- and say something like "Knee, you can rearrange the rest of me for your own good" and I'll get something like a complex subtle shift to my pelvis which I would not have thought of, and my knee feels better.

This does take a little patience-- it takes some seconds for me to start noticing changes.

It also takes some mental focus to make it work and keep it honest. Trying to say something like that to a body part when my mind is really on something else doesn't seem to do much. Also, just because a body part has gotten similar changes the past three times doesn't mean it will want the same thing this time, so it's important not to use volitional movement that overrides the interesting new thing that might happen.

I'm curious about whether this works for other people-- if you try it out, let me know, whether it works (and what happens) or not.

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From:pickledginger
Date:November 19th, 2012 06:14 pm (UTC)
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My back occasionally tells me what to do -- usually when I'm minding my own business. "Just move that a little over there." "Huh, what, where?" *pop* "Ow! Yikes! what was that!" "Aaaahh."
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From:sodyera
Date:November 19th, 2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
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I learned how to do this a long time ago when I first did drugs. Marijuana in particular puts one in touch with one's metabolic sub-systems and makes you realise how much in charge of your body you are from second to second.
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From:lethargic_man
Date:November 19th, 2012 06:54 pm (UTC)
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<intrigued> Could you explain this a bit more, please?
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From:nancylebov
Date:November 19th, 2012 06:59 pm (UTC)
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Probably, but it would help if you've got a more specific question.

Edited at 2012-11-19 07:00 pm (UTC)
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From:lethargic_man
Date:November 19th, 2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
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The question was actually for sodyera.
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From:dichroic
Date:November 19th, 2012 06:52 pm (UTC)
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I'm not convinced my body parts are that smart!
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From:nancylebov
Date:November 19th, 2012 07:00 pm (UTC)
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They might be smart about what they need, even if they're not well-informed about anything else.
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From:dichroic
Date:November 19th, 2012 07:25 pm (UTC)
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Mine are just not very proactive. They're great at hindsight ("Wow, popcorn for breakfast was a bad idea!") but not so great at how to make things better, except for telling me when I need to stretch more. On the other hand, they're in decent shape (21097 meters on the rowing machine yesterday and I was still OK to go to a friends' dinner party yesterday) so maybe they just haven't needed to be.
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From:houseboatonstyx
Date:November 19th, 2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
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This sounds like something my yoga teacher would like. She is always getting us into a strange position and then saying, "Now let the rest of the body relax into that, do whatever that position needs for you."
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From:celandine13
Date:November 19th, 2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
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do you have a lot of pain/injuries?
because I'm trying to figure out what this post would mean and it doesn't make sense to me.
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From:nancylebov
Date:November 19th, 2012 10:15 pm (UTC)
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That depends on what you mean by a lot. I've had a number (probably around 10) of foot and knee injuries-- none of them serious, but enough to add up so that going down stairs is often annoying, and sometimes I have sharp pains doing tai chi.

One the one hand, I'm 59, which might explain some of this stuff, but on the other hand, I got started with working on kinesthesia/movement when I about 28, which was before most if not all of those injuries.

The other piece is that I'm rather picky about kinesthesia-- I'm not tolerant of being fairly numb, nor of finding that I have major areas of what seem to be tension-related pain if I get past the numbness.

What's more, I got started on working on this stuff by receiving some excellent body work (Rubenfeld Synergy, though it was called Gestalt Synergy then), so I had the shock of finding out how much better things could be rather suddenly.

I don't know if you've tried anything like Feldenkrais Method or Alexander Technique, which can produce sudden improvements in ease of movement. For that matter, I don't know if your default coordination is extremely good, which would be a reason for what I'm talking about to not make sense.

Edited at 2012-11-19 10:28 pm (UTC)
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From:celandine13
Date:November 19th, 2012 10:28 pm (UTC)
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oh, ok, makes more sense then.

I'm younger, uninjured, and also have something of a tendency not to notice pain, so it's never occurred to me to wonder how my body could feel *better*.
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From:nancylebov
Date:November 20th, 2012 04:16 am (UTC)
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Michael Vassar has done some Feldenkrais-- he might have some interesting things to say about it.
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From:chomiji
Date:November 20th, 2012 01:13 pm (UTC)
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>> I'm younger, uninjured, and also have something of a tendency not to notice pain, so it's never occurred to me to wonder how my body could feel *better*. <<

Recently, I had a revelation: "No wonder older people seem cranky and out of it all the time - things hurt, and solid sleep is an unusual occurrence to be cherished." (I'm 54.)

Keep that couldn't-be-better body in shape for the future, young grasshopper!



Edited at 2012-11-20 01:14 pm (UTC)
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From:nancylebov
Date:November 20th, 2012 02:54 pm (UTC)
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Just to note: I'm in less chronic pain than a lot of the people I know.
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From:green_knight
Date:November 20th, 2012 01:41 pm (UTC)
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Now is the time when you're accumulating all those little imbalances and strains that will plague you in ten or twenty years' time, so getting good alignment and making sure you're not compensating for anything by putting inappropriate stress on other body parts is a very good idea.

And no, you most likely won't feel it _yet_. Bodies are good at masking small problems. Until the point where they are not.

The rule of thumb by bodyworkers is that it's worth getting checked out whenever you have a trauma - accident, injury, fall (even if it's just a 'harmless' slip), someone rearending the car while you're sitting in it... anything. I don't know anybody (myself included) who is following that rule, but it would be a good idea; and it's at least a good idea to be aware of what your body is doing.

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From:nancylebov
Date:November 20th, 2012 02:58 pm (UTC)
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The other piece is find something you're willing to do (t'ai chi, yoga, Feldenkrais...) for fifteen minutes a day or so. Pay attention while you're doing it.

I've heard very good things about Scott Sonnon's IntuFlow-- it's a set of exercises which take all your joints through their range of motion.
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