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I've heard a lot of complaints that America doesn't have a real left wing.... - Input Junkie
December 21st, 2012
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I've heard a lot of complaints that America doesn't have a real left wing....
This makes me glad America doesn't have a real right wing.

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From:agrumer
Date:December 22nd, 2012 12:29 am (UTC)
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How is the Tea Party not a “real” right wing?

Jobbik, Gyongyosi’s party, polls at 8%, and currently holds 43 seats in Hungary’s 386-seat parliament, or 11%. (I’m leaving aside here some real problems with Hungary’s government, and the long history of anti-Semitism in Hungary.)

The Republican Party holds 45% of the Senate and has a majority (54%) in the House. The Tea Party Caucus in the House has 58 members (13% of the House’s voting membership).

Gyongyosi, of Jobbik, described Jews as a “national-security risk” and called for the government to compile a national list of Hungarian Jews, especially those in government.

Allen West (R-FL), of the Tea Party Caucus, has described Islam as “a totalitarian theocratic political ideology” that “is already infiltrating into our colleges, into our universities, into our high schools, into our religious aspect, our cultural aspect, our financial, our political systems”. Steve King (R-IA), also of the Caucus, wants to bring back the House Un-American Activities Committee. Michele Bachmann (R-MI) claimed that the Muslim Brotherhood had infiltrated the US government, calling out by name the State Department’s Deputy Chief of Staff, Huma Abedin (wife of former Congressman Anthony Weiner [D-NY]).
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From:nancylebov
Date:December 22nd, 2012 02:16 am (UTC)
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I consider Gyongyosi to be scarier because of Hungary's history of anti-Semitism, which may or may not be fair on my part.

Also, you aren't mentioning politician in the US wanting to make a list of Muslims, which I'd consider to be closer to taking action than generalized threat-mongering.
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From:agrumer
Date:December 22nd, 2012 04:07 am (UTC)
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Actually making the list would be taking action. Just like actually bringing back HUAC would be taking action.

I consider the Tea Party to be scarier because the US is a violent country with a history of violence against minorities.
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From:ndrosen
Date:December 22nd, 2012 10:44 pm (UTC)
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And Hungary isn't?

The Tea Party is upset about bloated government, and wants it trimmed back to size, which, whether or not you agree with it, isn't a racist or hate-addled agenda. You may be able to find a few Tea Partyers who actually qualify as racist jerks, but you can find others who are black.
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From:agrumer
Date:December 23rd, 2012 03:09 am (UTC)
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Did I say Hungary wasn’t? Nancy seemed to believe that the US lacks a “real” right wing, apparently defined as a political party with a member willing to stand up and call for oppressive government action against a minority. I pointed out that we’ve got that going on here, just taking a different form.

If you scroll up a bit, you’ll see a comment where I linked to some bigoted statements by members of the Congressional House Tea Party Caucus — not arbitrary random people calling themselves Tea Party members, but actual Congressional Representatives.

If you want to worry about Hungary, it’s not Gyongyosi’s speech you should be worried about, but their new anti-democratic constitution.
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From:redbird
Date:December 23rd, 2012 12:27 am (UTC)
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A major police department and the CIA sending undercover officers to mosques to keep an eye on who is attending, with no basis for suspicion except that someone involved assumed that Muslims are more dangerous than Christians, is also scary. (I'm not sure if it's better or worse that the government agencies involved knew they were breaking the law: the CIA is explicitly forbidden from domestic espionage: http://www.ap.org/media-center/nypd/investigation.)

ETA: I was reminded of this by a quick google to try to find information on Rep. Peter King's Congressional hearings on the "threat" of Islam. (AFAIK he has not held any hearings on the threat of Protestant Christian terrorists.) And then didn't bother going further to find out whether King or any of his colleagues have called for such lists.

Edited at 2012-12-23 12:29 am (UTC)
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