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September 26th, 2015
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Don't trust anyone over 45
Thoughts on the Charleston church shooting and mental illness from someone who has mental illness, though I think it would be possible to think that way without mental illness.
Think about it this way: lead paint wasn’t banned from gasoline until the 1970’s. The average age of the US congress is 62 years old – meaning your average congressman spent about 15 years of their life – you know, the early part, when their brains were still developing – inhaling lead fumes on a daily basis. Lead paint is known to make people forgetful and violent. In other words, our country is lead by people who all suffered permanent brain damage as children, but learned to dress up in suits, say “please” and “ma’am” and all the secret stuff you gotta know to put on a happy face and pretend you aren’t suffering serious damage from the fucked up things we humans have done to each other – not to mention how we’ve treated the less sociable animals.


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If the dog were wearing a suit, and insulted your culture, you might think it deserved to suffer –unless you could hear those sounds as the mechanism by which suffering moves itself through the universe. From the anger in a reality model to the pressure of the finger on a trigger, moved and amplified by the firing pin connecting to the charge, ripping valence electrons off of phosphorous atoms and connecting to the oxygen, pushing that anger out, through the bullets and into the larger world, where we are left to deal with the anger which was compressed and compacted into a hateful, cold sneer. There we go again, i’m letting my crazy out. He has the ‘bad guy property’, that explains everything perfectly with no need for further investigation. That’s what i meant to say.


I am perhaps more sympathetic to the idea of suffering moving itself through the universe because of having seen the animated movie of Gibran's "The Prophet"-- the essays have a theme of moving energy food, work, love, etc.

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From:robby
Date:September 27th, 2015 12:33 am (UTC)
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I've not heard that leaded gasoline was particulary harmful, while kids eating chips of lead paint has had terrible consequences.
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From:nancylebov
Date:September 27th, 2015 12:45 am (UTC)
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I think it's both.
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From:robby
Date:September 27th, 2015 01:49 am (UTC)
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The blog you referenced actually mentions "lead paint in gas". I glanced at the whole text and it strikes me as sorta off-base.
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From:matgb
Date:September 27th, 2015 02:47 am (UTC)
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There's a lot of research ongoing into the effects of leaded petrol/gasoline, there is, for example, a direct correlation between decline in violent crime rates and the banning/reduction of lead in car fuel, it follows a few years after the ban comes in. But there are similar correlations with abortion rates from 15 years previously to the crime fall and similar, none of the researchers have a solid conclusion, yet.

But the evidence linking leaded fuel to violent crime, at least in part, looks fairly solid, in particular the rise in violent crime over the 20thC was most strongest in denser areas where car use was more common, etc.

I'm not sure what the guy means by lead paint in gasoline, I think that's a misunderstanding of the science (and I don't know when it as phased in/out in the US the way I do for the UK).

The old correlation isn't causation thing is a strong caveat here, but the idea that leaded fuel was problematic isn't a new one to me.
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From:robby
Date:September 27th, 2015 03:27 am (UTC)
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The one caveat about leaded gas, that I recall was that you don't want to eat vegetables grown right adjacent to a busy road. In the US, the regulatory agency allowed MTBE to be added gasoline, when they took out the lead, and MTBE has been an environmental nightmare.
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From:matgb
Date:September 27th, 2015 03:55 am (UTC)
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"That you recall"

If they'd known at the time the problems it would cause/was causing, there'd have been an outcry. It's recent research, recent data, recent evidence. A very quick Google:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27067615
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lead-crime_hypothesis
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2013/01/03/how-lead-caused-americas-violent-crime-epidemic/
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From:robby
Date:September 27th, 2015 04:39 am (UTC)
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It's an interesting theory, but I also see lots of skepticism about leaded gas=crime online.
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From:houseboatonstyx
Date:September 27th, 2015 09:50 am (UTC)
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One point in favor of the lead brings crime theory, is that there is plenty of hard data to examine (though whether it's all been examined is another question).

Different localities banned leaded gasoline at different times. Those records exist, and so do records of the crime rate changes; compare Town A's rate before and after Town A banned lead gas, and if similar before and after's within each town turn up, that's evidence. There are also records that will indicate how many vehicles were operating in each town. So there's a lot of 'experiments' all over the country in different climates, demographics, etc. There's even 'controls': if Hicksville, Oklahoma banned lead gas and Hicksville, Utah did not, then the Utah town can be seen as a control group.


Edited at 2015-09-27 09:52 am (UTC)
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From:redbird
Date:September 27th, 2015 04:31 am (UTC)
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OK, I did a bit of googling on for "blood lead levels leaded gasoline," and there's evidence that removing lead from gasoline makes a difference. (To figure out past levels of lead in people's bodies, researchers looked at teeth; for environmental levels, data sources included lake sediments.)

I also found a CDC article that says one reason that blood levels have decreased was that far fewer food and soft drink cans are being made with lead: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00032080.htm
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From:acelightning
Date:September 27th, 2015 04:46 am (UTC)
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The link to the article doesn't seem to work, but based on the first paragraph you quote, it's clear that the author has conflated the effects of lead-based paint and tetraethyl lead in gasoline. Both of them have been forbidden in the US for decades, but they were a significant danger in their time.

Lead paint is dangerous because it can flake off. When very young children pick up the flakes and put them in their mouths, the lead compounds have a sweet taste, which leads to the children eating more paint flakes. And other things besides walls were painted with lead-based paint - everything from windowsills and stair railings, to children's toys! Again, children will put almost anything in their mouths, and by chewing on the windowsill (what, you've never seen a toddler chewing on a windowsill?), they ingest lead compounds.

Leaded gasoline, when burned in an internal-combustion engine, produces vaporized lead compounds that are expelled with the exhaust. Un-burned leaded gas, sitting in the open, also gives off similar gases. The exhaust fumes disperse into the air, especially near busy roadways. And anybody working or even hanging out near a place where there's leaded gasoline being used (like a filling station or auto-repair shop) is at risk as well.

As others have already described, the effects of chronic low-level lead poisoning (especially in children) from any source are pretty much the same: neurological symptoms, cognitive impairment, and violent behavior (or at least "poor impulse control").

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From:madfilkentist
Date:September 27th, 2015 09:35 am (UTC)
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It's rather unfair pulling out the first paragraph as a quote. My first reaction was, "This is an idiot stereotyping my age group." After reading the piece, I think the actual point is that the division of the world between "mentally ill" and "sane" people is, at best, a very blurry line.
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From:houseboatonstyx
Date:September 27th, 2015 10:01 am (UTC)
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Interesting theory about the ages, but I'm not sure the dates add up. The Boomers, born in 1945 and later, breathed a lot of lead before the 1970s. Hm, maybe the flower power drugs countered the effect of the lead.
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