?

Log in

No account? Create an account
Two subcultures, divided by a single language - Input Junkie
October 14th, 2009
10:20 pm

[Link]

Previous Entry Share Next Entry
Two subcultures, divided by a single language

When you say "fandom", do you generally mean

A subculture built around mass-produced sf fiction, movies, comics, etc.?
31(67.4%)
A subculture built around fan fiction?
2(4.3%)
It was the wrong question and/or the wrong answers, and I'll tell you why in comments
6(13.0%)

(23 comments | Leave a comment)

Comments
 
[User Picture]
From:whswhs
Date:October 15th, 2009 03:24 am (UTC)
(Link)
A subculture built around reading science fiction in print and discussing it at conventions.
[User Picture]
From:kgbooklog
Date:October 15th, 2009 03:28 am (UTC)
(Link)
That or the first option, depending on context; and I rarely use the term myself.
[User Picture]
From:carbonel
Date:October 15th, 2009 03:55 am (UTC)
(Link)
I'm active in both SF fandom and media (fan fiction) fandom, which means that when I'm among SF fans, SF fandom is the unmarked version, and when I'm among media fans, that's the unmarked version.

So instead of checking all three boxes, I wrote this comment.
[User Picture]
From:malkingrey
Date:October 15th, 2009 04:09 am (UTC)
(Link)
What carbonel said.
[User Picture]
From:kgbooklog
Date:October 15th, 2009 02:14 pm (UTC)
(Link)
media (fan fiction) fandom

Yes, most fanfiction is based on media properties, but are most fans of media SF also fans of fanfiction? I get the impression that media cons are huge with very little interaction, while the one book con I attended had every single panel turn into advice for aspiring authors.
[User Picture]
From:carbonel
Date:October 15th, 2009 02:32 pm (UTC)
(Link)
...but are most fans of media SF also fans of fanfiction?

Almost certainly not; that's why I qualified my statement. Fan fiction has ballooned tremendously with the advent of the Internet, but there are still way more people who are into media in other ways who have nothing to do with fanfic. It's just that fanfic is the part of media fandom that I'm active in.

There are conventions that are exclusively for fanfic readers and writers, but they tend to be smallish -- under 1,000 people.
[User Picture]
From:ann_totusek
Date:October 15th, 2009 04:19 am (UTC)
(Link)
I'd be more general and say that a fandom is a subculture built around a particular interest which is usually but not always media or fiction related. There are also things like foodie fandoms, crafting fandoms, fan art fandoms etc., and a metric crapload of overlap in many areas as has been noted particularly with SF fandom (be it literary or media) and the SCA, for example.
[User Picture]
From:whswhs
Date:October 15th, 2009 04:42 am (UTC)
(Link)
Oh, sure, I'm aware of those other fandoms. But I'm not involved with them in the slightest. When I talk about fandom, it's with people to whom it means science fiction fandom. It's closer to a proper noun than a common noun, even though I don't capitalize it.
[User Picture]
From:ann_totusek
Date:October 15th, 2009 05:11 am (UTC)
(Link)
My response was intended to be an answer to the survey, it was not an attempt to correct or disagree with how you use the word. I hadn't even read the comments before making my own- just clicked through via the survey.
[User Picture]
From:whswhs
Date:October 15th, 2009 05:50 am (UTC)
(Link)
Sure. I just thought you made an interesting linguistic point and wanted to comment on it.
[User Picture]
From:nancylebov
Date:October 15th, 2009 11:27 am (UTC)
(Link)
I wasn't asking about fandoms, I was asking about the use of the word "fandom" without an adjective.

Edited at 2009-10-15 11:28 am (UTC)
[User Picture]
From:dr_zrfq
Date:October 15th, 2009 04:49 am (UTC)
(Link)
I don't use the term that much myself. When I do use the term, it's most often because folks around me are; and the circles I travel in are very diverse. Some use the term to mean what is built around the "canon" of a particular speculative universe (what I see as option 1), some use it to mean the subculture built around fan fiction for a given universe (my take on option 2), and some use it to mean something quite different, such as comics in general, or speculative movies/TV in general, or speculative print fiction in general... that last is rare -- more likely a particular slice of print fiction that has many things in common but *not* sharing the same universe. So that seems to me to be better suited to option 3. Therefore I clicked all of them.

Also, where's the "Ticky box!" option?
[User Picture]
From:lisa_marli
Date:October 15th, 2009 08:10 am (UTC)
(Link)
It must be that time of the Moon Cycle. The argument has been going around the SMoFs mailing list as well.
Only there, it is the Grand Ol' Smofs who remember Fanzines and SF comes in books and magazines, vs the Young Whipper Snappers whose first SF was Trek or Star Wars and think SF comes in all sorts of Shapes and Sizes, including books, movies, comics and fan fic (much like your first answer).
So you see - Two Answers only one of which resembles yours.
Pssst - I am of the Big Umbrella, if it is SF&F, we should try to include it group, even though I am old enough to be a Grand Ol' Smof (I even have a ton of Fanzines in boxes in storage).
And I also Filk and Costume. But I haven't written fanfic in ages.
[User Picture]
From:milimod
Date:October 15th, 2009 09:48 am (UTC)
(Link)
I think my first exposure to the term was in the fanfic context, but realize that it has a broader meaning to many.
[User Picture]
From:chomiji
Date:October 15th, 2009 11:17 am (UTC)
(Link)

Fandom is the community of enthusiasts (subculture) who are pursuing the literary/media subjects. Fanfiction is one of the ways that members fandom may express that enthusiasm, along with convention-going, cosplay, collecting memorabilia and books, etc.

(But then, I'm of the age to have watched ST:ToS the first time around as a young adolescent.)

[User Picture]
From:sashajwolf
Date:October 15th, 2009 12:11 pm (UTC)
(Link)
This, exactly.
[User Picture]
From:dcseain
Date:October 15th, 2009 02:28 pm (UTC)
(Link)
Ah, yes, this.
[User Picture]
From:metahacker
Date:October 15th, 2009 11:26 am (UTC)
(Link)
"Fanficdom"?

I would expect B to be a subset of A, but I guess it's probably big enough that there are people who read fanfic without reading mass produced stuf.
[User Picture]
From:nancylebov
Date:October 15th, 2009 11:33 am (UTC)
(Link)
I assume that people in fanfiction fandom read or used to read some mass-produced fiction (though I've seen comments about not reading anything anymore except fanfiction), but the center of mass-produced art there seems to tv and movies.

And I probably should have made the question about "fanfiction" not "fan fiction".
[User Picture]
From:malkingrey
Date:October 15th, 2009 04:53 pm (UTC)
(Link)
I assume that people in fanfiction fandom read or used to read some mass-produced fiction (though I've seen comments about not reading anything anymore except fanfiction), but the center of mass-produced art there seems to tv and movies.

"Media fans don't read books" has been written-sf fandom's cheap-and-easy slur against fanfiction fandom for decades.

I confess to being unsure what you mean by "mass-produced fiction" -- are you using it to mean "commercially-published fiction", or to mean something else that I'm not getting? (I'm not sure how one would go about mass-producing a novel, for example . . . what's mass-produced are the copies.)
[User Picture]
From:nancylebov
Date:October 15th, 2009 05:16 pm (UTC)
(Link)
I meant commercially produced fiction, sorry for any ambiguity.

At this point, there's so much high-quality fanfiction (I don't generally read fanfiction, but have been impressed by some of what I have read) that I don't consider "doesn't read books" to be a slur. I can see that it would be intended as an insult, but I wouldn't use it so.

[User Picture]
From:sodyera
Date:October 15th, 2009 03:19 pm (UTC)

Can O' Worms

(Link)
Explaining "What is Fandom?" is much like the can-o-worms entitled, "What is filk?"

Fandom is whatever a fan tells you Fandom is, since each fan has come to this river from a different tributary, and each experience mixes with the rest and changes the whole for those who came to it before and those who will come to it later.

TO ME: Fandom is a widely-spread community that finds a middle-ground in a different hotel every month. It's a class of people I can be myself with; they who know pretty much what I'm talking about when I encounter something new and/or interesting in the science-fiction genre (regardless of presentation) and they're interesting enough in their own regard to keep me coming back to associate with them.
[User Picture]
From:fla_sunshine
Date:October 15th, 2009 05:01 pm (UTC)
(Link)
...and I lied about telling you why in comments. ;-)
nancybuttons.com Powered by LiveJournal.com