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What happened to the anti-war movement? - Input Junkie
January 20th, 2011
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What happened to the anti-war movement?





This is a 7 minute libertarian take on the question-- it says that most of the left isn't willing to break with Obama. The only thing that really surprised me is that the proportion of unaffiliated voters at the (unfortunately shrinking) demonstrations has been going up.

Link thanks to The Agitator.

It looks as though I need to use the old style of embed code for youtube videos.

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From:landley
Date:January 23rd, 2011 10:55 pm (UTC)
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I think most liberals view the libertarians as a wholly owned subsidiary of the tea party. why should we pay the slightest bit of attention to them?

The headquarters of the Libertarian party of Texas is down the street from where I live. Their front window has ads for DVDs about disbanding the federal reserve, how the destruction of world trade center was an inside job, and some DVD about how evil Obama is (with a bad photoshop of somebody wearing an Obama mask). It is fully of concentrated crazy, amateurishly presented.

And they're wondering why nobody's lining up behind them? When they're fine coming across as crazy people trivially led around by the nose by Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers because the free market is infallible (as every homeless person knows when they finally freeze to death).

Obama's failure is being Nevile Chaimberlan. The libertarians' failure is being Richard Stallman, full of absolute certainty that brooks no discussion. (At least all the ones I've met who self-identified as libertarians.)
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From:nancylebov
Date:January 25th, 2011 12:15 am (UTC)
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I'm a libertarian. Note the small l-- I'm not associated with the political party. I don't know whether I've never said anything to give you an impression of my politics, or if you haven't noticed.

L(l)ibertarianism is a good bit older than the Tea Party, and frequently more sophisticated, not that that's difficult. Also, as with any group of people of any size which has been around for a while, there isn't total internal agreement.

I recommend The Agitator as a libertarian blog which is considerably better than your stereotype, and Unqualified Offerings as a similar libertarianish blog-- I can't remember whether the folks there still identify as libertarians.

Actually, I don't just recommend the blogs-- I think you need to read them to expand your view of what's going on. The Agitator, in particular, specializes in justice system atrocities, and I don't know of any other blog (of any political persuasion) which is as good on the subject.

The reason liberals might have something to gain from association with carefully chosen libertarians (I grant that conservative-flavored libertarians are more common than liberal-flavored libertarians) is that you can use all the people who care about civil liberties that you can get. There isn't any mainstream pressure to care about civil liberties, and it doesn't speak well for the country.

Since I haven't been following the LP in general, I don't know whether the Texas LP is typical-- it sounds fringier than I would have expected.

Would you have been offended by the video if you weren't slotting in your pre-existing ideas about Libertarians?

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