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Scrubbing, the sequel - Input Junkie
October 20th, 2011
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Scrubbing, the sequel
Thank you to everyone who replied.

I cleaned two refrigerator drawers this morning, and I definitely haven't been using hot enough water. Even if I don't want to put my hands in extremely hot water, I need to use it for soaking. Elementary chemistry is my friend.

And I've probably been putting too much faith in the curly metal scrubby because it looks effective. Elementary physics (the curly metal thing doesn't make enough contact) is also my friend.

Another thing is to expect that I'll need more than one pass to get something clean. After all, anything I post has been read at least twice, proofed (even if imperfectly) and probably at least twiddled with. And I may well make corrections after I've posted, too. Posting would be a lot less fun if I thought I should be able to get the writing just so on the first pass.

I haven't tried silly songs (papersky, does "baking tray" have lyrics?) or time limits yet, but they're on the agenda.

This being said, it's amazing how hard it was [1] to get across the idea that I seem to have a problem with attention and perception. I haven't yet observed lurking dirty spots which are only visible when wet, but I tell you three times that there can be spots which are a different color than the background and not baked on which I could still miss. I'm not sure I got the idea across to anyone but nellorat, who's lived with someone who has the same problem, and to kalimac, who has the same problem.

Proper soaking helps with that because if stuff that needs to be cleaned off comes off more easily, then it doesn't need as much attention. This could probably open out into a large topic of good solutions sometimes not being anywhere near where you think they are.

[1] I need to stop being amazed at this. It's just plain hard to believe how different other people's experience is.

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From:nosebeepbear
Date:October 20th, 2011 04:55 pm (UTC)
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it's amazing how hard it was [1] to get across the idea that I seem to have a problem with attention and perception

I got it; I almost commented just because I saw that message not getting through from the comments, but I didn't otherwise have anything useful to say.
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From:nancylebov
Date:October 20th, 2011 05:28 pm (UTC)
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Thanks-- now I'm curious. Did you get it by careful reading, or because you've got the problem yourself, or because you've learned about it by dealing with someone who has the problem, or something else that I haven't thought of?
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From:nosebeepbear
Date:October 20th, 2011 05:33 pm (UTC)
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Your description of the problem was pretty clear.
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From:regalpewter
Date:October 20th, 2011 04:56 pm (UTC)
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Also, remember that white vinegar is your friend, it's low Ph breaks down stains well, and as a added benefit it will kill any bacteria that may linger. A solution of one cup to a gallon of soapy H20 works well, and reduces scrubbing.
YIS,
WRI
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From:agrumer
Date:October 20th, 2011 08:40 pm (UTC)
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I wonder if people would've gotten it faster if you'd drawn an analogy to typos in a long manuscript.
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From:nancylebov
Date:October 20th, 2011 10:09 pm (UTC)
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Possibly, but the idea didn't occur to me until I was writing the second post.
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From:st_rev
Date:October 20th, 2011 11:29 pm (UTC)
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There isn't a lot of vocabulary in English to discuss disorders of attention, and most of the existing vocabulary is unavoidably pejorative. I have what amounts to moderate frontal lobe damage, but because I speak and write lucidly, it's difficult to convey how my experiences and capabilities differ from most people's.
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From:nancylebov
Date:October 21st, 2011 06:44 am (UTC)
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That's interesting, and it would have made a difference if there'd been standard words. Do you know if there's any language that's better, or if there's a good medical vocabulary for disorders/degrees of attention?

I've been putting together a rant about how difficult it is to imagine other people's experiences being different from one's own.

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From:st_rev
Date:October 21st, 2011 07:36 am (UTC)
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It's pretty rudimentary; ADHD and autism spectrum stuff are still considered a joke or fake condition by a lot of people, and hardly anyone has heard of executive dysfunction, sensory processing disorder, etc. So, the vocabulary people are likely to be aware of is pre-stigmatized; more modern terminology is a) obscure and b) possibly completely ill-founded.


When you're trying to talk about impairments in high-level integrative/coordinating functionality stuff, it seems like most people can't imagine impairments in capacities they aren't aware they have in the first place.

Edited at 2011-10-21 07:43 am (UTC)
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From:st_rev
Date:October 21st, 2011 06:50 pm (UTC)
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(And of course the traditional vocabulary is stuff like 'weak-willed', 'airhead', 'lazy', etc.)
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