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Predicting the economy's rate of recovery - Input Junkie
August 17th, 2012
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Predicting the economy's rate of recovery

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From:whswhs
Date:August 17th, 2012 06:39 pm (UTC)
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As I think my mention of the two non-Leninist traditions should make clear, I'm aware of other interpretations of socialism than the Soviet Union's. There is, for example, the European model that Obama seems to favor, though of course an American politician can't call themself a "socialist," for reasons that have nothing to do with the serious analysis of comparative economic systems.
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From:andrewducker
Date:August 17th, 2012 07:47 pm (UTC)
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Oh yes - in the US "Socialist" is a dog-whistle term. Here in the UK I hear people talking about how awesome our socialised medicine is on a semi-regular basis, although that seems to have happened as a backlash from the ludicrous fuss that the USA has made.
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From:whswhs
Date:August 18th, 2012 01:11 am (UTC)
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But the effect of that emotional reaction seems to me to be that Obama is not going to call himself a "socialist," even if in fact he is; it doesn't mean that calling Obama a socialist is inaccurate necessarily. Given the political aspects, what Obama calls himself is not evidential. As to whether he is, that depends on how you define "socialist"; his health care plan isn't much like the British (or Canadian) plan that you unhesitatingly call socialist, but it's a substantial move in that direction from where the United States was previously. And I think if Obama could have just gone straight to single payer he would have been delighted. But that's an interpretation on my part.
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From:andrewducker
Date:August 18th, 2012 10:13 am (UTC)
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Yeah, I don't think that the USA is ready for a president who says "Yes, some of this is socialist, and that's a good thing.". Hopefully, some day they will be.
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From:whswhs
Date:August 18th, 2012 02:00 pm (UTC)
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We will just have to disagree on that last; I think the United States has gone much too far toward socialism already. I would prefer to see the movement reversed.
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