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How about a political movement to oppose police brutality? - Input Junkie
August 14th, 2014
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How about a political movement to oppose police brutality?

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From:nancylebov
Date:August 14th, 2014 06:05 pm (UTC)
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This one? It's about requiring police to wear cameras and record interactions with the public. I think it's a good idea, but it may not be enough.
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From:nancylebov
Date:August 14th, 2014 06:40 pm (UTC)
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Thanks. That looks sensible. I've signed it.
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From:stripeyseven
Date:August 17th, 2014 12:57 am (UTC)
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I signed that on paper at the vigil the other night, or something like it.
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From:heron61
Date:August 14th, 2014 08:39 pm (UTC)
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If wearing cameras were mandatory, I think much of the problem would go away, and it would also protect those cops (not nearly enough) who weren't brutal thugs from false accusations of brutality. Rules like this have worked well in the UK in places they've been tried. However, I imagine that the worst cops are seriously against these rules.
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From:nancylebov
Date:August 14th, 2014 08:41 pm (UTC)
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Camera are required in a few places in the US, too, and they've worked out well. I'm not sure they're enough.
From:siliconshaman
Date:August 14th, 2014 11:39 pm (UTC)
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Mandatory cameras only work if they don't 'malfunction' or get turned off by the officers. Which was one of the things found in the UK trials. They also found they actually cut the number of complaints about police behaviour... I guess if people know they're being recorded as well as the officers, they're less likely to make false accusations as well.
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From:houseboatonstyx
Date:August 15th, 2014 08:44 pm (UTC)
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Or the records get 'lost'. A large proportion of them.

Drone cameras, anyone?

From:siliconshaman
Date:August 15th, 2014 08:49 pm (UTC)
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Nah... the technology for this has been around for a while now. Always on body cameras, dash-board cams...and wifi that connects to a 4G link that streams the video to servers overseen by Internal Affairs and that ordinary officers don't have access to. If the link goes 'dark' it's assumed that an officer is in trouble or at least has a technical issues and a patrol car is dispatched to the last know location.
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From:houseboatonstyx
Date:August 16th, 2014 12:55 am (UTC)
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I meant the journalists should send out drone cameras! In these situations where they're not allowed in, and their news helicopters aren't allowed in either.
From:siliconshaman
Date:August 16th, 2014 10:40 am (UTC)
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Except the FAA has made commercial use of drones illegal... well except for government agencies. Plus it's a trivial task to jam the signals. Not that it would necessarily stop the journalists doing their job... but why give the police an excuse to arrest them [not that they seem to need one.]

Edited at 2014-08-16 10:45 am (UTC)
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From:stripeyseven
Date:August 17th, 2014 01:04 am (UTC)
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Drones may soon be inexpensive enough to make them practical as a way for civilians to monitor police.

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From:adrian_turtle
Date:August 17th, 2014 04:33 pm (UTC)
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No single police is likely to be "enough," but cameras have reduced use of force by 60% where they are mandatory. (That's counting all situations where force is used.) It's really substantial.

Local political pressure isn't "enough," either. Look at stop-and-frisk in NYC. A judge told the police to stop it (or at least to do less of it). The mayor told them to stop it. And yet the police keep doing it.
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From:adrian_turtle
Date:August 17th, 2014 04:37 pm (UTC)
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I don't mean to say nothing will help and we should give up. I mean we need to use partial solutions.
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