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October 27th, 2005
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Don't buy anything from indoo.com
On September 5, I ordered a copy of _A Hatful of Sky_ from indoo.com (a half.com seller) for $7.16.

They had 95% positive feedback, but I wish I'd looked at the negative feedbacks--they were for failed orders and ignored emails. Considering that half.com makes it somewhat difficult to leave negative feedback, I should have realized that 5% negative probably indicates a higher rate of unsatisfactory transactions.

At some point, well after it was due to arrive, I emailed them. No reply.

I'd pretty much written the thing off, then I got a refund for $2.25. When I emailed them about it (no insults, but I admit, no courtesy either), they said
there was a 15% restocking fee and $1.42 postage. Even with their deductions, I'm still $2.42 short.

On the one hand, it's a small amount of money. On the other, I'm feeling insulted as well as ripped off.

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From:wings13
Date:October 27th, 2005 07:30 pm (UTC)
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Wait... you didn't get the book, but they charged you a restocking fee? How do they justify that???
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From:filkerdave
Date:October 27th, 2005 07:37 pm (UTC)
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Urmn...

A restocking fee and postage on something they never shipped?
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From:mneme
Date:October 27th, 2005 07:37 pm (UTC)
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IANAL, but yes, this is fraud.
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From:dcseain
Date:October 27th, 2005 07:38 pm (UTC)
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What mneme said. That just ain't right. At all.
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From:dcseain
Date:October 27th, 2005 07:40 pm (UTC)
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At minimum, you should complain the the state Attorney General's office (or being you're in PA, perhaps it the Commonwealth's Attorney's office, as it is here in VA.)
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From:cellio
Date:October 27th, 2005 08:24 pm (UTC)
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I ordered something through half.com once that never arrived (something in the $100 range). It took forever -- and invoking the Attorney General -- to get a refund from them after the seller went silent. His feedback had been previously good and then apparently he stiffed a bunch of people all at once, but even that didn't get half.com's attention.

I have not shopped with them since.
From:nancylebov
Date:October 27th, 2005 09:00 pm (UTC)
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I think you have a point.

It's possible that someone had fraudulently taken over a legitimate sellers reputation. Even so, half.com should have more concern with something like that happening.
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From:quarkwiz
Date:October 27th, 2005 10:02 pm (UTC)
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Wait. So...you still don't have the book? Are you in need of a copy? If so, let me scrounge here at the office. That's one of our titles. Let me know if you want one, okay?
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From:water_neko
Date:October 28th, 2005 12:45 am (UTC)
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Oy ve...I'm sorry that happened to you...

Something quite similar happened with me and Amazon.com. I can't even find a way to e-mail or call them...the link to "Contact Us" is totally misleading...

Is there any sort of law about online stores and customer service?
From:(Anonymous)
Date:October 28th, 2005 08:10 pm (UTC)

Contacting amazon.com by phone

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credit Amazon.com Cards 888-247-4080 Account number then 5 web retail Amazon.com 800-201-7575 Direct to human! (from find-a-human at https://www.quickbase.com/db/bam6rdiey?a=q&qid=5 ) -- Ron
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From:nancylebov
Date:October 28th, 2005 11:41 am (UTC)

Re: One of Handango's clients did the same to me and I wasn't credited

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I've looked at Kagi's site. Do you mean that you only deal with sellers who use Kagi?

This was a half.com thing--they're affiliated with Ebay. Amazon links to them, I think, but I'm not as sure that they care. I'll probably take it to Ebay, since the connection is closer. I've complained to paypal, but it could take 45 days for them to get back to me. On the other hand, paypal is in an excellent position to make life hard for indoo.com.
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From:pyrzqxgl
Date:November 6th, 2005 07:44 pm (UTC)
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Last year when a CD I ordered never showed up I complained and got a full refund directly from half.com. I'd say you should definitely file a claim with half.com, except that according to their Buyer Protection Policy "you have a maximum of 60 days from the date of your order to file a Buyer Protection Claim", so you've just gone past the limit. Ugh.

I'm reading A Hatful of Sky to my children right now (well, as in the next chapter later today), actually.
From:nancylebov
Date:November 7th, 2005 12:33 pm (UTC)
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Thanks. I might complain to half.com anyway, just to give them a heads-up about indoo.com.
From:thatssomelanie
Date:February 24th, 2007 03:21 am (UTC)

Yes, Indoo is Awful!

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I can very much second your feelings about this Indoo crap. I ordered a 75 dollar textbook from them over a month ago. They claimed it was shipped the same day. I constantly emailed them, as I never got it. They kept saying 'oh the mail is slow, just wait'. I sent multiple emails to them demanding a refund, as I had already re-ordered it from another seller and got it within a few days. Every time I made a demand for refund, they would put me off and say to just give it a little more time. Finally, another four weeks after that, I receive a package from them. I considered just straight refusing it, but I instead took it, then opened it, and it wasn't even what I ordered. It was a ten year old book about a philosopher with obvious water damage and black mold on it. Upon entering the package tracking code into the USPS website, I found that they had outright lied, as the package wasn't shipped until after my 2nd complaint/demand. Maybe they think they can screw someone over and they will just let it slide. I am a mid-20's college student taking 24 semester hours with little-to-no money for simple things like my rent, and I've now been shafted for about 80 dollars by this crooked seller. I'm still demanding refunds from them, as apparently they've had about 1,000 other negative feedbacks. Much like you, I wish I would have read into the feedback before getting myself into their little web.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:October 22nd, 2010 09:59 pm (UTC)

Re: Yes, Indoo is Awful!

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I've had an awful experience with this company as well. My suggestion is to
go through your credit card company. If you delete the charge with them, more
than likely they will credit your account. That's what they did for me.

From:(Anonymous)
Date:August 16th, 2007 08:24 pm (UTC)

I agree: don't buy anything from indoo.com

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I have the same awful experience with indoo.com
From:(Anonymous)
Date:September 6th, 2007 11:34 pm (UTC)

Re: I agree: don't buy anything from indoo.com

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I've been ordering online for more than five years and NEVER had service this poor!! I ordered an idea/cook/life book by Mary Jane Butters for my wife and received an audio version! Bait-n-switch at it's finest!! Thanks indoo.com!! To those responsible: May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your under garments!!
From:(Anonymous)
Date:January 30th, 2008 08:19 pm (UTC)

Indoo.com fraud

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1-25-08 I placed an order with Indoo.com through Amazon.com.
1-29-08 I received an email confirmation that my order was SHIPPED.
1-30-08 I received an out-of-stock notice saying the item will NOT
be shipped.
Looks like I've been duped with the rest of you.
How can we get at this ENRON-like outfit?
Chris Uehlein
chrisxm@bluecloud.org
From:(Anonymous)
Date:January 30th, 2008 08:55 pm (UTC)

Re: Indoo.com fraud

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Oops! I've too hastily judged my experience iwth indoo.com.
I've just received notice of a refund for my indoo.com order
directly from Amazon.com.
chrisxm@bluecloud.org
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From:zzziltoid
Date:April 2nd, 2008 09:28 pm (UTC)
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I know it's been years since you posted this but I found this entry while doing a google search for information on indoo.com. They sent me the wrong book, promised me they would correct the error and send me the right book within a week, and never did. Now they won't answer my emails. I have filed a claim with ebay but like you said, they probably aren't going to take it seriously because the transaction was less than $10.

Anyway I wanted to let you know that if you're feeling vindictive and want to contact them directly, their number is (732) 382-2600. No one answered and I've only been able to leave nasty voicemails, but rest assured they'll be getting at least nasty voicemail a day until I get my money back or I get the correct book. If not, I have their address and if I'm ever in the New Jersey area, I'll be showing up at their door.
From:nancylebov
Date:April 2nd, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
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It's enough for me that this thread shows up second (or third, depending on how you count) if you google indoo.com. Good luck.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:August 29th, 2008 01:10 am (UTC)

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I had the very same service from them as you did...I placed an order and then after almost 4 weeks the book arrived. Same day I had ordered from other vendors and their books arrived within 7 to 10 days. The lack of response was just salt in the wound. Thanks for letting me vent...

Jann
From:(Anonymous)
Date:September 3rd, 2008 10:00 pm (UTC)
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We ordered one book and it took forever to come. All we could find was that it was supposedly shipped. I left two e-mails to them and they were never returned.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:October 3rd, 2008 05:17 pm (UTC)

Indoo.com 2008

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Gee, I wish I'd seen this long thread before I ordered my son's $100 lab manual from them! I ordered it 9/10. As of 10/3, it's still not here. They've not answered either one of my 2 e-mails, and I just left them a phone message. Since reading these threads, I also filed a BBB complaint. (Thanks to the person who posted the how-to.) My next step is to contact abebooks.com directly, and recommend that they no longer carry this unscrupulous seller. I've used amazon.com, half.com and abebooks.com with great success previously. Indoo.com is the only lemon I've encountered.
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:January 23rd, 2009 07:09 pm (UTC)

Amazing these crooks are still in business!!!!!!!!!

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Hey,

I ordered a wall calendar on January 2, 2009, thru amazon.com from a seller named allnewbooks, I received an email from indoo.com on january 5th, 2009 saying my item was shipped via media mail, their in new jersey, i'm in long island new york, you do the math it should have taken merely a few days to travel one state over lol

On January 23rd, 2009 I got this from indoo.com:

Dear Customer,

We shipped your order on 01/05/2009 via USPS media mail, we received a message from postal department saying that your package was lost in transit. We initiated a postal trace on the package. We are issuing full refund for the cost of the item and the shipping charges involved. We apologize for the inconvenience caused to you. Please let us know if you have any questions.

Thank You
--Indoo.com


Notice how they claim the post office contacted them about losing the package??? I have never in my life heard such a BS story. If the post office lost it, how would they know to contact him about it? and I'm pretty sure when i fill out a tracking slip, They dont ask for your contact info. I've experienced the same complaints as all of you here who have been complaining since as far back as 2005??

I'm really curious as to how this company is still able to practice FRAUD. Better Business Bureau? WTF are they doing, Seriously?
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From:naughtybeard
Date:May 30th, 2009 04:06 am (UTC)

Re: Amazing these crooks are still in business!!!!!!!!!

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I'm piling on!

I bought a book from indoo.com through www.abebooks.com on April 23, 2009. On May 7, I received the wrong book.

I contacted them on May 8 about initiating a return and indicated that I still wanted my book rather than my money back. I also asked them to confirm that they'd pay the shipping charges for me to return the book. They said yes.

I shipped the book out to them on May 11. I e-mailed them yesterday, May 28, to let them know I still hadn't received my book and to ask after the status of my return/exchange. They asked me if I had a tracking number.

Fortunately, I do. USPS delivered my package to them on May 13.

I'm asking for my money back instead of the book now - I really don't want these people to have my business. I haven't been impressed with the customer service at all (although I suppose I should feel lucky that I'm getting any response at all, given some of the other experiences I've read about here.) We'll see whether they actually process my refund or not, and if they do, whether I get the full amount I paid.

What's really frustrating is that abebooks doesn't have a feedback mechanism - all of the ratings displayed for their sellers are based on something called a "completion rate" - basically it's calculated based on all of a bookseller's transactions, minus transactions that result in a refund or return. I don't think I'll be shopping with that site again, which is a shame since I felt like I was actually helping support small booksellers by using it. Ebay it is, then.
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